Curse

tomcruisejr · Nov 03, 2006, 03:40 PM // 15:40

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Originally Posted by myword

isn't that what HvH arena is for?

yes but what's wrong bout heroes in ha other than its not fun facing them?

axe · Nov 03, 2006, 04:28 PM // 16:28

My favorite HA memory to date was last night we faced 2 henchway teams on broken tower, guess what? They ganged up on the team with real players 12 V 6 so if thats not cooperative play I dont know what is???

The best part is BOTH teams targeted our warrior first and our warrior decided to run the hell outa there and all I saw on the map was 6 yellow dots, and 6 red dots chasing one blue dot LMAO!!!! well our team couldnt get our hero to the altar as the warrior was the one taking the ghostly and he was having too much fun "pulling" the agro so it went to his head, bottom line nobody capped and we had a fun game of ring around the rosey! YAY back to UW to fight another Hero team, they should drop ectos then we would truly be in PVE heaven.

I wish all PVP could be that entertaining (/sarcasm OFF!!!!)

myword · Nov 03, 2006, 04:54 PM // 16:54

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Originally Posted by tomcruisejr

yes but what's wrong bout heroes in ha other than its not fun facing them?

the fact that it's pointless for them to have even added a HvH arena and promoted it as a new PvP mode maybe

Father Anansi · Nov 03, 2006, 06:34 PM // 18:34

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Originally Posted by axe

My favorite HA memory to date was last night we faced 2 henchway teams on broken tower, guess what? They ganged up on the team with real players 12 V 6 so if thats not cooperative play I dont know what is???

The best part is BOTH teams targeted our warrior first and our warrior decided to run the hell outa there and all I saw on the map was 6 yellow dots, and 6 red dots chasing one blue dot LMAO!!!! well our team couldnt get our hero to the altar as the warrior was the one taking the ghostly and he was having too much fun "pulling" the agro so it went to his head, bottom line nobody capped and we had a fun game of ring around the rosey! YAY back to UW to fight another Hero team, they should drop ectos then we would truly be in PVE heaven.

I wish all PVP could be that entertaining (/sarcasm OFF!!!!)

LoL, ya broken tower is a pain if you are the only team NOT running hero way. I especially dislike the change to scarred earth that allows you to gank.

My guild has had several run ins with teams that have been allianced with each other and we've gotten gang banged horribly by them. Oh well.

Back on topic. I don't understand why the mods haven't closed this thread,it's about time..nothing constructive has come of it.

If people really wish to show Anet that they disapprove of allowing heroes into HA, they will stop playing HA. Boycott it..just don't go, Anet will eventually do something. You will not however see gaile or any other anet offical responding to a thread such as this, atleast not with anything constructive to say.

axe · Nov 03, 2006, 06:51 PM // 18:51

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Originally Posted by Father Anansi

If people really wish to show Anet that they disapprove of allowing heroes into HA, they will stop playing HA. Boycott it..just don't go, Anet will eventually do something. You will not however see gaile or any other anet offical responding to a thread such as this, atleast not with anything constructive to say.

Or we could take matters into our own hands and make an active community effort to play HA so that real players outnumber the Heroway teams again and maybe from constant loss after loss THEY would go away because it would be frustrating for them to lose time and time again. As it is now thye are 50/50 because HA boils down to Hero vs. Hero.

We could be the plolice of HA, all our PVP chars could be named Officer ______ and we could give these PVErs a reason not to come back, it would be glorious!! LOL.

Anyways if it degrades any further the least that Anet could do would be to train the Heros to learn how to play the maps and call the group leader a noob if they dont cap.
Talkora: "Im targeting Heroway noob"
Koss: "WTF you didnt get the ghost"
Zeb whateverthenutz: "OMG get a rez orb, what rank are you? EMOTE!"

Father Anansi · Nov 03, 2006, 08:35 PM // 20:35

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Originally Posted by axe

Or we could take matters into our own hands and make an active community effort to play HA so that real players outnumber the Heroway teams again and maybe from constant loss after loss THEY would go away because it would be frustrating for them to lose time and time again. As it is now thye are 50/50 because HA boils down to Hero vs. Hero.

We could be the plolice of HA, all our PVP chars could be named Officer ______ and we could give these PVErs a reason not to come back, it would be glorious!! LOL.

Anyways if it degrades any further the least that Anet could do would be to train the Heros to learn how to play the maps and call the group leader a noob if they dont cap.
Talkora: "Im targeting Heroway noob"
Koss: "WTF you didnt get the ghost"
Zeb whateverthenutz: "OMG get a rez orb, what rank are you? EMOTE!"

Eh, if we all went back to HA, Anet would only come to the conclusion that their decision to add heros was a success. Personally I like the boycott idea. they'll reconsider their decision once HA is as dead as the Jade Quarry.

I do like the idea of grabbing a group of people just to humiliate and degrade those who go into HA with hero way. But that is my inner child speaking..I'd also like to have sex with Angelina..not like im going to persue that.

I do fully support the idea Heros should actively call leaders noobs and idiots maybe throw a few slurs around and make off the cusp criticisms of leaders performance. Maybe even have the heros refuse to join parties if they aren't a particular rank.

Heck, if the leader isn't the same rank as their heros, program the Ai to kick the leader and go completely Ai!

Dr_Knockboot · Nov 03, 2006, 11:21 PM // 23:21

yes who needs 1 player why not put 6 AI in all maps, now that will be fun!!!!!

Come on anet just go the extra mile, make every map vs 6 Heroes. why the hell do u need that extra human player on the end. he/she cant be as competent or better than the AI. And im sure all the pvp players will really begin to feel even more at home against AI who will always react the same way in almost any situation lacking any human spontanaiety in tactics.

All i can say is instead of having "enter battle" when u create a group, change it to "enter mission", cos seriously its just another mission that we are entering against AI in pve.

spun ducky · Nov 03, 2006, 11:39 PM // 23:39

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Originally Posted by luilui

You don't understand what is the problem. The problem is not about beating them or getting beaten by them. The problem is that it is boring and people are not having fun. You get it now?

So those who talk about how easy/hard/whatever about heroway please go somewhere else, because that is not the problem, the problem is it is boring and nobody like it (or very few people like it).

I actually am enjoying HA far more now than ever before so it doesn't seem boring to me and many others as well.

Father Anansi · Nov 04, 2006, 12:58 AM // 00:58

you know, I've been giving this alot of thought..and i believe it just may improve the entire game. What GW is missing..is a place where players can gamble.

heres the idea. instead of kicking heros out of HA, why don't we make HA exclusively heros? This way, we can watch OBS and put down bids for what Ai team will win! This way we can ensure a balanced GW economy.

The great part about this, is that we will be able to indoctrinate younger individuals into the high life of gambling at an early age because it isn't against the law!

But seriously, Are there any grounded arguments out there against Heros way? Other than "it isn't fair" "it's no fun" "I hate you Hero Way!" "Hero way aren't people!" Becuase, I sure as heck can't think of one.

Bread Fan · Nov 04, 2006, 02:33 AM // 02:33

Grounded arguements for hero way? Are you serious? HA is PvP hence the PLAYER VS PLAYER. If I wanted to play against AI I wouldn't be playing an on line game.

Mental Leteci · Nov 04, 2006, 10:34 AM // 10:34

Father Anansi, I hardly ever call someone an idiot, but you're an idiot.

phasola · Nov 04, 2006, 10:54 AM // 10:54

Oh noez this isn't about PvE or new people complaining about getting into groups, not one bit...

Bread Fan · Nov 04, 2006, 11:16 AM // 11:16

Alright I gave HA another chance tonight and guess what? It's plagued with everyone doing heroes with searing + gaze and on the BROKEN tower (shouldn't be 3 teams) it was just such a blast......

I have been told that some anet employees do frequent the forums. Perhaps you could give your justification on destroying HA. Do any of you play PvP? I was told in a different post that I was immature for whatever reason. It's called constructive criticism. Thing is I don't think the PvP side is being treated fairly which I still think they NEED a PvP rep.

Anyways, delete/ban do whatever cause I am done beating a dead horse. Time to move onto other games.

TMWNN · Nov 04, 2006, 11:35 AM // 11:35

Its a joke is all I can say.

If I wanted to farm npcs id be playing pve. These heroway fire teams offer no challenge and no fun for anybody. Id rather anet added a button on the ui that you could click to bump up your fame then have trash like this ruining something that used to be fun.

For all types of pvp (except HvH) the team should have to be at least half human players.

The state of HA atm make the era of Iway seem like the funnest thing ever.

Patrograd · Nov 04, 2006, 12:42 PM // 12:42

So wanting to see for myself what all the fuss is about I roll a team of heros and a couple of henchies and in we go.

Starring:

Burst of Aggression as the dragon slasher
Dunkoro as the mo/a RC prot
Acolyte whatsisface as star burst ele
Aclolyte Jin as cripshot
Healer Hench as the herself
Mage hench as himself

10% morale boost vs zaishen, 24 seconds. nice start.

Underworld

Flawless victory vs heroway

Broken tower

One heroway team, one team of real people. Whispered the heroway team guy and we ganked the others pretty fast. We win against the other heros.

scarred earth

Oops, a properly organised team of real people, took them 5 minutes to put us under though

back in again

10% vs Zaishen again

underworld

Lost to a better heroway ;/

Back in again

10% vs Zaishen

underworld

Flawless victory against a team of 3 people 3 heros

Broken tower

Two other heroway teams. One caps at 1:45 left. I sit out until 30 seconds or so left and nuke the hell out of everything. Flawless

Jump to Courtyard

Got totally wiped by real people. not sure what real people are doing playing this format, but there you go.

6 fame in 20 minutes

Its stupid really. You can rack up quick fame with heroway, which makes it attractive to newer players, but only against other heros and those who dont really know what they're doing.

I cant imagine how fast a serious team would acquire fame. 50-100 points an hour?

Father Anansi · Nov 04, 2006, 04:14 PM // 16:14

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Originally Posted by Mental Leteci

Father Anansi, I hardly ever call someone an idiot, but you're an idiot.

I won’t disagree with you because my previous post was asinine to begin with, lol.

HA was broken before Heroes. The addition of Heroes hasn't caused the problem; Heroes have merely exacerbated an already existing problem. I've posted about this on other threads, you can agree or disagree but it’s blindingly evident. Heroes would be fine if Anet would attend to the actual ailment as opposed to treating the symptoms. I still wouldn’t like Heroes being in HA mind you. But if necessary changes were made it would greatly reduce the amount of hero teams we see now. Consequently to make improvements we must sacrifice a few things inwhich I doubt the HA community would be willing to give up.

With that said, A-net, gaile..whomever reads these threads. Please treat the Heroes Symptom.

Lord Mendes · Nov 04, 2006, 04:25 PM // 16:25

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Originally Posted by Father Anansi

Consequently to make improvements we must sacrifice a few things inwhich I doubt the HA community would be willing to give up.

With that said, A-net, gaile..whomever reads these threads. Please treat the Heroes Symptom.

HA community has absolutely no say when it comes to the fate of HA.

I do agree about the PvP rep, anet needs to have a rep checking and posting on the PvP forums to see what the PVP community thinks/wants/prefers.
The majority of old time HAers don't like these past updates and i dont think they realize that these players kept HA alive.
In 3 weeks, HA was changed from 8v8 with 8 possible proffesions, to 6v6 with 10 prossible proffesions and the ability to take heroes into HA. There was also a huge skill balanced that nerfed many FoTM builds in that 3 weeks.
Plz if u want 2 improve HA, test the changes 1 variable at a time (without the absolutely pointless double fame), not all at once.

Father Anansi · Nov 04, 2006, 04:31 PM // 16:31

[QUOTE=Lord Mendes]HA community has absolutely no say when it comes to the fate of HA.

Looking towards the future, call it hopeless optimism if you will.

The PvP rep would be an excellent addition to the game. The PvP (HA community in particular) deserves as much a voice as PvE.

tomcruisejr · Nov 04, 2006, 05:12 PM // 17:12

nominate me for pvp rep and youll see radical changes.

Lord Mendes · Nov 04, 2006, 06:10 PM // 18:10

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Originally Posted by tomcruisejr

nominate me for pvp rep and youll see radical changes.

in all fairness syra i like your idea of removing fame (or at least the fame emotes). You dont exactly have the best reputation in HA though, so gl getting that post :P
On as serious note, a decent PvP rep would be the best thing at this point. It would be something to counter act all the pointless polls in Riverside/Sarderlak. Seriously Gaile if I started a poll asking people if they want 2 be able to buy FoW armor for real money, im 100% sure the majority will vote yes.